The legislation takes aim directly at trans individuals using the restroom or locker rooms, threatening those who “knowingly” and “willfully” enter facilities designated for the “opposite biological sex” with prison time. A first offense would count as a misdemeanor punishable by up to a year in jail. Those caught using the bathroom in repeated offenses, however, could be convicted as felons and face up to five years in prison.
It’ll be interesting to see how this aligns with the Full Faith and Credit clause for someone who updates their birth certificate from another state that allows for that then uses the bathroom that aligns with said certificate.
I live in Idaho, and the comments here are as ignorant as ever.
If you are trans/different/nonconservative in any way, let me say this very, very clearly:
THEY WANT YOU DEAD.
Not in prison, not a slave, not a member of society at all.
They want you DEAD.
Stop pussyfooting around this. Passing laws like this is merely a step towards their true goals. I am not being melodramatic, I cannot ring the warning bell hard enough after the conversations I have had with conservatives here. They are doing everything they can to slow-burn us into massacring our own people and even WANTING to think the best of these bad-faith psychos is bad FOR US ALL including THEM. They are essentially children that have been taught that having any moral code is weakness and that lying and cheating is strength. They do NOT have positive intentions and they ARE thinking about the long game. You will not convince them of anything using just words and arguments, not unless you find a way to put a LOT of money in their pockets, and you would have to first convince them that Trump didn’t already do exactly that.
“Idaho” can’t be that stupid when it comes to basic logic, unless hateful religion is involved somehow.
So now what? Use the “India method” and use the streets as toilet?
Can we maybe not put down minority groups while trying to support different minorities?
You do know that the India government had to do a campaign to say “pop on the toilet”, right? And 1200 million people is not a minority.
The title is a lie. They are still allowed to use the bathroom corresponding to their gender assigned at birth. From the article:
The Idaho House passed legislation that could make it a felony for transgender people to step foot in a bathroom matching their gender identity.
The title isn’t technically true but it is practically true in many cases. What is a post-op trans person supposed to do? They don’t look like the sex they were born as and will surely look out of place if they use the bathroom they’re legally supposed to. It will also lead to trouble for people like me, who are cis but can be mistaken for trans (I’m a woman with facial hair). And what about intersex people?
Oh, I don’t dispute that it is a horrible law! It just doesn’t justify the title lying about it.
Only pedophiles would think about children’s dicks as much as Republicans do.
Right wingers are all such goddamn freaks I swear.
And snowflakes
A felony? LOL
I wonder if they are smart enough to put exceptions in for children where the father or mother may possibly take the child into the ‘wrong’ bathroom.
as a woman I see so many boys in the women’s restroom, it is very common
Wait til some MAGA Dad gets arrested for this
Is this a girl toilet or a guy toilet?
That’s actually a really easy answer.
It’s female.
les toilettes - in french.
It’s male in Spanish lol. Does that make toilets non-binary?
el baño / el inodoro
Maybe we need to go by where it was manufactured, and maybe they should come with labels etched into the porcelain so they don’t get mis-gendered and placed incorrectly?
We could issue certificates at the time they’re manufactured
I dunno, if we do that it might cause some black market certificate situation with people trying to unlawfully place male toilets in the female bathrooms.
is it a Toto or American Standard?
Toto drake 2 for the win!
Plenty of Pedo Protectors and Pedos in the red run Idaho oblast.
Plenty here on lemmy, too.
Do they include a definition of “biological sex”? And of how that’s going to be determined?
Of course not. They have no fucking clue what they’re talking about. They just want to hurt people
What about intersex people… can they go in both?
If it comes up in court, I guess they’ll be forced to specify if they’re defining biological sex by chromosomes, genitalia, or some other biological feature. Unfortunately, the law was made by people who are completely oblivious to the complexity of biological sex. This is why people shouldn’t be allowed to make laws without knowing the science if these things. Same thing with anti-abortion laws being made by people who don’t understand biology
Major in biology
Born with dick = Dude
Born with vag = girl
Not that hard…
So you’ve never heard of intersex people? Some people can be born with both
Hermaphrodites exist.
Seemingly, you didn’t comprehend that this was an answer in the context of intersex. Reading and comprehension must not be one of your strengths.
The people making this law have no idea that there are people who are biologically intersex and, if told, will dismiss it as irrelevant because they’re “a tiny minority”. Deaf people are also a small minority and it’s common practice to accommodate them. All people should be considered when making a law with the threat of jail time.
I think it’s even more than just people who would be classified as intersex
There are various markers for sex: DNA*, hormonal levels/profile, gonadal tissue, gametes, the shape of the genitals, and even the shape of the skeleton. Probably more that I’m just not bringing to mind right now
And it would be pretty unusual for any one individual to have all of those markers point unambiguously in one direction
So the first question is - if it’s going to be law that people have to be divided into two precise categories according to their biological sex, what marker is being used to determine which category they fit in
If pressed on this, transphobes often default to gametes, with a fudge to the effect that people who don’t produce gametes should be judged by what gametes they would produce if their reproductive systems were producing gametes
Okay, so, someone goes into one public toilet. Someone calls the police on them because they don’t think they’re a biological match. The police turn up…how are they going to determine what gametes that individual would produce if they produced gametes?
Because you can’t just select a marker and not have a test to determine who fits where, can you?
Which means, logically, what are we looking at? Genital inspections. Because that’s realisically the only test which can be administered
So does this law have an exception for children? Or are they enshrining in law that it’s okay for adults to force children to show them their genitals? To protect kids, of course. There’s no possible way that could have any negative consequences
But even that’s not the point, really, horrible and disgusting though it is. The point is that they don’t know and haven’t thought about what they actually mean when they use those terms, and they certainly haven’t thought about the actual consequences of the law
There’s basically two options - unthinking transphobia, or “I don’t actually care about this issue, but I’m making a big deal of it because I’m otherwise unelectable and if I can make people worried about ‘for the children!’ and paint the other side as paedophiles I might get elected again even by people who disagree with me on literally everything else”
And trans people suffer and are put in danger in the short-term, as do cis people who don’t fit into whatever narrow prejudices the general public have about gender expectations, and children of whatever sex/gender are put in danger in the slightly longer-term
*which in and of itself is a lot more complicated and nuanced than just X/Y
I was recently listening to a video of a call-in show where someone called in and made this argument that sex should be defined by what gametes they’re “supposed to” produce. Supposed by who? The host said that’s not science, that’s fortune telling. Someone in the comments said they were an intersex chimera (male and female twins fused together in the womb) so which sex were they “supposed to” be?
I am, as far as I know, a cisgender woman. Though I’ve never actually had my chromosomes tested. But I have facial hair, a secondary sex characteristic normally associated with men. If I don’t trim or shave regularly, I get a full beard. People who see me in public probably assume I’m trans. When I use public bathrooms, I fear being attacked because I’m mistaken for trans. Fortunately, that doesn’t seem to happen in my area. If I were in Idaho, would I now have to carry my birth certificate to prove I’m female? Would I have to have my genitals inspected? Would I have to go to court and prove I’m female?
The cruelty is and has always ever been the point.
Oooh! Oooh! I remember this one!
Next, businesses will have to create a separate restroom that says “TRANS ONLY” so things can be “separate but equal”…
ಠ_ಠ
No no, you see they want the trans women in the mens room so we’re easier to sexually harass and assault.
I would be weirdly fine with a trans bathroom as long as cis people genuinely can’t enter it… We would keep that shit immaculate and safe. Tiny little safe space with sinks and mirrors and toiletries and supportive allies anywhere you go.
Except now you have a situation where armed individuals who masturbate to the 2nd amendment will wait idly by the TRANS ONLY bathroom for someone to walk out of it, murder the person who walked out of it, and say they feared for their lives because they tried to “groom them”.
At least in that situation the Trans person/people could reasonably expect the business/establishment to be an ally. That’s assuming there is no law that says there has to be a Trans only bathroom, any place which installs one would probably only be doing that because they’re an ally or Trans themselves. Now what your describing happening to businesses/establishments which are supportive of Trans people I can totally see happening.
I mean, yes, obviously, I am all too aware of the larger safety issues and societal issues of “separate but equal”
They won’t do that because they would be acknowledging the existence of transpeople.
And giving them no where to feel comfortable in public is the entire point. Giving them their own washroom would be a short step in the right direction from the depraved place we’re in.
Yeah, Jim Crow was a compromise already. I think benchs, restaurant tables, bathrooms were non-existent generally for African Americans in the South.
I mean Republicans can’t govern. So if they weren’t persecuting a minority to appease their bigot base, what would they be doing?
Why haven’t we adopted gender neutral bathrooms on a global scale?
Shut the fuck up, regard. If we did that how the hell would we be able to attack this easy target of vulnerable people?!
The real reason? Because men can’t control themselves and women have reasons to fear for their safety in closed spaces with them.
Men are entirely capable of controlling themselves, I can attest to that personally.
Your’s isn’t an argument, it’s the confession of a predator.
Next time, maybe duck. Because holy shit that went right over your head.
You’re the “not all men” type, eh?
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No, every single man is capable of controlling themselves, you’re just a psychopath.
Edit: Why should I have ducked if it had already been going over my head? Also, it’s hilarious that you of all people would try to use “I was just joking” as a reply, considering what I’ve seen from your other comments. Were you just joking when you were talking about how you want to censor trans folks out of existence?
Also, you’re into prediction markets and crypto. You are a giant fucking red flag, holy shit.
Also, you’re into prediction markets and crypto. You are a giant fucking red flag, holy shit.
I’m into what? Lmao no I’m not. I’d love to see how you came to that conclusion.
considering what I’ve seen from your other comments. Were you just joking when you were talking about how you want to censor trans folks out of existence?
You are DEFINITELY thinking of someone else, considering I’m married to a trans person… And in a poly relationship with another trans woman.
Edit: On second thought I’m just gonna block you.
There are gender neutral bathrooms all over the place.
It’s a sexist idea that men can’t control themselves.
Congrats on missing the obvious commentary and point OP was making.
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Gendered bathrooms should be banned. Things being gender-exclusive should generally be illegal (regarded as bigotry/hate).
JUST PUT REAL WALLS INSTEAD OF STALLS
I would agree, but…the line for the woman’s bathroom is so long…as long as there’s the same number of stalls and urinals as there would be if they were separated, I definitely support non-gendered!
yeah, i’m nonbinary. i like taking advantage of whichever line is shortest when my anus’s floodgates are about to give because hey, i don’t fit either box easily and we don’t want me shitting on the floor. turning it into one line takes that advantage away from me (i’d have to ask “hey everyone my pooper’s leaking can i cut the line” and that’s more embarrassing for y’all than me. trust me i can make it really embarrassing for y’all i practice) so i say leave the gendered bathrooms. or two nongendered bathrooms but people being so awkward they self-segregate. this is pure self-interest tho
yes
obviously there would be the same number overall
availability would actually be higher as there would be twice as many available to the individual
I can see places cheaping out and just having one bathroom for both that’s the size of just one of them, but it would be a small price to pay to get rid of this terrorizing of trans people…or just anyone who doesn’t appear to fit into specific gender roles.
That… already happens. Tons of smaller restaurants/cafes I’ve been to have a solitary nongendered restroom with one toilet and a sink.
Yes, but as you said, those are smaller places that don’t need more than that as there aren’t that many people there at a given time.
at my workplace when I first transitioned there was a single gender-neutral bathroom in the entire building, and it was frequently occupied because every white woman in the building had the same idea to use it as the “pooping” toilet … so when I was early transition and didn’t pass, instead of use the women’s restroom on the same floor as my colleagues (where I might run into them and make them uncomfortable), I would have to walk to another floor of the building to use another business’s women’s restroom so I didn’t run the risk of seeing anyone I know.
I understand trans people aren’t that common and it can feel absurd to have all this infrastructure for a small minority you never see, but … like, sometimes we do exist and need to use the toilet that was built and set aside for us to use. (I’m sure people with disabilities feel the same way, as the gender-neutral toilet is also often the one built to be ADA compliant and accessible.)
Yeah and honestly I’m a woman but I’m going to use urinals as long as I’m still able, convenient af and hilarious every time to lift your skirt to use a urinal
ha! i’ve never seen a purple one before
some practical advice if it’s your first time using one of these: do not ignore the direction the wind is blowing. in fact, aim for nearby bushes or leaves if you can.
Looooool, I’ve heard of those!
I cant wait for all the CIS conservatives who inevitably get arrested/genital inspected due to this law, and the inevitable crying of “It wasnt supposed to affect me, I feel so humiliated and attacked over this egregious invasion of my body” with zero self awareness or irony.
I’m scared of laws like this because I’m a cis woman and I have natural facial hair
Laws like this always put non-conservative-traditional women in the crosshairs. Moreso than trans people, despite specifically attacking trans people, simply due to how many more CIS people there are than trans.
The goal is far greater than that. Cis people, and especially cis women, are going to be deliberately caught up in this, not accidentally. Once the sheep have been convinced that trans people are irredeemably evil, watch as the definition of “trans” expands ever-outward. Are you a woman that wears pants? That sounds like cross-dressing to me. Oh, you want to work a job like engineering? Learn to appreciate your biological sex, you transgender freak! Stop pretending to be a man and get a career appropriate to your biological sex.
I cant wait for all the CIS conservatives who inevitably get arrested/genital inspected
The way these organizations operate, you tend to have coordinated groups of TERF brownshirts barging into public spaces and harassing strangers with the support of the church, the majority party, and law enforcement.
If a few Republican lay-voters get swept up in the dragnet, who cares? Idaho is one of the reddest states in the country. Nobody is going to shed a tear for the 6’ tall post-menopausal country mama who gets pepper sprayed by a crack team of transvestigators, because they’ll just relabel her as Far-Left when she objects to rough treatment.
The point of these pogroms is to juice up the partisan insiders and ready them for a wider conflict. A bit of friendly fire is a small price to pay for the libidinal joy of violently oppressing your neighbors, while getting tons of updoots on social media.
We need seperate bathrooms for MAGA, I don’t feel comfortable sharing a bathroom with them as they are peeping toms and pedophile supporters.
pedophile supporters
You can reduce your character count by removing the unnecessary ‘upporters’.
Well, not all of them are. In particular, not all are sexual criminals.
But all of them see no problem with either.
We need a separate planet for MAGA.
I vote for Mercury or Venus.
Mm, still too close!
But Venus can take care of that. 400C and 60 atmospheres of pressure.
pedophile supporters.
G.O.P. - Guardians of Pedophiles
