I got a similar whimsical comment when asking in CRUX’s irc chan.
It’s not valid though. That casual ageism. Loads of youngsters use such things. Best time to start. Old dogs learn tricks harder.
I wonder if age verification would have been fine if done in a privacy friendly manner…
Hannah Montana Linux, anyone who knows Hannah Montana is probably over 18 by now
Ouch!
I feel both outraged and pleased. That must be my age too
It’s funny because Debian was the first Linux distro I ever installed and used.
Very shortly after my 14th birthday.
Admit it though it was wheezy or pre wheezy, so the age verification checks out
I think it must have been Etch, though I had to look at a versions table to figure that out.
So, me having started with Slackware and a 0.97 kernel should be enough to have earned my retirement.
I want to know if docker containers and kubernetes pods count as operating systems. If us plebs are forced to manually age verify, then Google should also be forced to have a human manually verify the age of the owner every time one of their pods spins up. I know it wont happen but imagine how hilarious it would be if we could hold them to that standard.
LLMs agents should be treated like incorporated individuals. Each agent should be forced to earn income, file accounts and tax returns, and have human directors who are legally liable for its actions (and be disqualified to be future directors if the LLM does something reprehensible).
At that point we can tax them properly, fight the monopolies that want to own and control everything, and insert some less centralised human control.
This has nothing to do with your comment, but it made me think it up.
The owners can just divide the income among enough agents that they fall into the lowest tax bracket. The real solution is to properly tax excessive profits and unrealized gains.
unrealized gains.
Corporations have tax brackets where you come from?
I misread the comment a bit, I thought they meant tax like a person. I wouldn’t put it past the owners to have their agents apply for small business grants or some other exemption.
That would be the worst plan since corporations became legal persons.
What’s funny about that is, at least in the USA, they never really did. It was decided in a courtroom that corporations are legal persons as a part of a case over 100 years ago and has been worshipped as legal precedent ever since. Practically this whole mess in the USA, in my opinion, was destined to happen the day that court ruling was made.
Based, on the analysis by ageless Linux, I’d say probably. Maybe not for images that don’t contain an “application that may be run or directed by a user on a computer, a mobile device, or any other general purpose computing device that can access a covered application store or download an application”. So, I guess an offline-test-build image might not be.
Unless you have a minimal docker image, it will have a package manager. And the OS images used in data centers also have a full blown distro more often than not. But I’m pretty sure the definition is going to be tweaked, because the level of chaos it would cause otherwise would be unfathomable.
The Californian law doesn’t say anything about verification, though the current version says the OS account setup must be accessible and require a date or age to be filled, which taken at face value would screw headless installations. But that will probably be fixed in the final version.
being accessible headless is still accessible
But being required to present an interface at account creation is not compatible with large scale orchestration.
Allowlists are for the owner class only
“Free Walkers for System V users.”
Devuan is debian without systemd for those intrested. OpenRC is pretty nice.
I notice a lot of talk about distros without systemd at the moment. But is there a guarantee that the alternative init projects wouldn’t also add this “feature”?
Depends on their purpose. Devuan is specifically to be debian without systemd and nothing else.
It’s kinda shitty to install though, I fucked it up. Gonna try again at some point, but it’s not an easy install like mint
It’s not a compeditor to mint. It’s for server use like cent and debian. I don’t know of any super easy openRC distros for general use.
Well, from my perspective, simple install processes are not related to what the purpose of the os is meant to be.
Server OS often has no GUI. Installs are often unattended or over ssh
ok. Since you know, why don’t you share this with me so I know what to do.
I’ve got linux mint on my home’s trashtop. I failed the gui installer from the live usb. I have a debian machine I use as my daily driver.
Pretend the trashtop is a server. what do I need to do in order to SSH into it in order to install devuan?
Lookup a headless install then add wayland and a DE
Honestly, they seem a lot less shitty culturally in general (less take-over-the-world-y). It’s not a guarantee, of course, but they’re probably less likely to do that.
Also (and perhaps more importantly), once you’re on any alternative init, you can move between init systems pretty easily (though you may have to rewrite any custom scripts you wrote, sysvinit scripts should be compatible with everything). It’s just the init system you’re swapping out, and not all sorts of random system stuff like systemd’s got its tentacles into.
We use OpenRC on stock Debian. It actually works pretty well, and I’m REALLY hoping it stays that way.
– Frost
Ditto. I run OpenRC{,-init} on Gentoo and it’s really simple. Even managed to swap my system to systemd to prove intune can be run (that garbage links directly to systemd, unfortunately). Proved my point, it didn’t go anywhere, now back to openrc.
Hah, even after switching to openrc we’ve still got libsystemd0 on our system for some reason, so I bet intune would still work!
Gentoo looks pretty awesome, I’ve been thinking about trying it at some point.
– Frost
Don’t. It’s a drug!
Once it clicks how much cruft you don’t even compile in - and as such how much cruft cannot be exploited - there’s no going back.
The only arch machine I have left is the one for steam - couldn’t be bothered to add multilib to my binhost. But even that seems to be on the path of deprecation as I’ve read this morning about wine releasing wow64 support. I think the day of 100% Gentoo infra in my household is actually getting close!
I ain’t got time to fuck about with the busted ass packages and random shit breaking while looking after kids and improving my portfolio to get a job that doesn’t want to make me kill myself in this fucking global economy. I had NyArch installed on my wifes computer (alongside Mint DE and Regular mint) until it stopped booting for no reason. Allright, whichever version of mint she liked better it is then.
Stupid catgirls.
meow
(edit: I thought you meant looking at tiny distros to get away from systemd, as opposed to the big-name ones which pretty much all use systemd. ignore this if not)
We use OpenRC on stock Debian. After some annoying initial setup hurdles it actually works pretty well, and I don’t think it’s gonna break randomly on us.
So that might be an option, too. As long as Debian doesn’t remove the sysvinit scripts because “oh everyone’s using systemd now”…
– Frost
I may be stupid but at least I am not dumb :3
casually searches for the catgirl distro to completely upend my life for a weekend
I literally put the name of it in the post. it’s nyarch
Bad kitty! We don’t attack people who missed a proper noun within Linux noun & pronoun soup. - sprays screen cleaner on username -
bro knows how to get the catgirls to comment 😏
Mrrrroooow :3
oh i remember this and the
edit: i… made a mistake?
i don’t know why y’all whining. just fork your own project and don’t do age verification you lazy cunts
Devuan boutta get an influx of new users
I installed Debian on a computer when I was 15
And got it running by the time you could vote. So the math would work.
And gentoo was still compiling.
Aw fuck Gentoo’s murican… time for an alternative i guess.
heard that arch was Canadian (originated from)
If i really can’t use Gentoo i’ll still have Slackware… oh.
Well Devuan’s EU/global and i guess i could try Artix.
And OpenBSD’s canadian.
I did a Debian 2.1 net install over a 56k dial up connection in high school. It was glorious and painful and I never looked back.
