- cross-posted to:
- world@quokk.au
- cross-posted to:
- world@quokk.au
UK and Japan among countries that are considering options but yet to commit warships to blockaded shipping route
Countries including the UK, Japan, China and South Korea have said they are still considering their options but without making commitments after the US president, Donald Trump, urged them to send warships to the strait of Hormuz to secure the vital shipping route.
The effective closure of the strait of Hormuz by Tehran, in retaliation for airstrikes by the US and Israel, has proved catastrophic for global energy and trade flows, causing the largest oil supply disruption in history and soaring global oil prices.
However, the international response to Trump’s call for the dispatch of warships has so far proved vague and reluctant, with countries unwilling to commit to a military response that could prove treacherous for their navies.
Not sending ships is harming the economy and preventing gas and energy going where it is needed. Also forcing it to be flared of potentially.
There are obvious reasons one might want to put assets at risk to prevent that. And benefit from shipments.
The billions we would lose if one of our aircraft carriers were to be sunk is not a price worth paying for slightly cheaper fuel.
Besides, a few days ago Don said he didn’t need us.
It’s not slightly cheaper fuel and a hull loss of a carrier seems unlikely unless being truly daft.
It’s less about fuel being expensive and more about it being available. Otherwise some will go without and the poor tend to suffer the most in affordability crises.
Also I didn’t say you should. Just that it ain’t cut and dry.
Any naval ship in the strait is a sitting duck to AS missiles and drones. Sending British military personnel to risk death defending Trump’s distraction from the epstein files is unacceptable.
I feel like you are not listening to my point and instead panicking headlessly.
I am listening to your point.
I’m disagreeing with it. The USA started this pointless war for vanity reasons. I don’t want to see British troops put in unnecessary danger.
The only way to stop the attacks would be for America and Israel to occupy the coastal areas and mountains of Iran. Or to surrender.
A naval ship sailing near an oil tanker isn’t going to accomplish anything.
I didn’t even say Britain should deploy. Or do so ineffectually.
Yes but the whole topic is about deployment of other forces, including UK ones.
Yes. And I said it’s not trivial whether or not to deploy as there are in fact valid arguments for both. It is not as easy as conflict bad = no deployment, cause people might die.
Maybe a certain subset of the US population with have incentive to not act like ignorant fucking clowns when voting the next time if gas gets expensive.
The mental cage you have, is that the war needs to continue.
Fuel prices aren’t going up at the moment because we have reserves. It’s likely that Trump will give up before those run out in 6 months time, so why risk the assets?
3 weeks ago I could get diesel at €1.60/l.
Now it is over €2 per litre and I am in the weird situation today I cannot fill my tank from empty because the bank does not pre-authorise enough. So fuel prices have absolutely gone up, at least to consumers in rural France, which is all I personally care about.
Fuel prices have gone up by about a third or more. I have no idea where you live but to me this just sounds plainly untrue, since other countries and economies are suffering. And about 20% of global production stopping is obviously a thing.
I didn’t say that it’s not having an effect, I said the effect is not as bad right now as it is for the US because the US doesn’t have access to its oil reserves well actually it does have access to its oil reserves but the administration won’t use it because there’s hardly any left but it amounts to the same thing.
Local diesel prices in the USA have jumped $1.50 in two weeks. So far.
Yes but the thing about countries that are not the US is they’re not affected by prices in the US. That’s why I said that we’re basing prices on the oil reserve that we have. Obviously that can’t last forever but if there is one thing Trump is famous for it’s giving up when things get marginally difficult.