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  • No, lifting an original vehicle type doesn’t change its type unless we collectively decide as a society or industry that it does. Your point is true for first generation Foresters. It’s not for today’s, though, which mine is as a 2025.

    I’m not sure what you’re trying to argue or trying to get me to change my mind about it, but a crossover is literally an SUV by today’s standards. Definitions change and there are a multitude of articles that discuss this.

    “…over time, crossover came to refer predominantly to unibody-based SUVs. The term SUV is often used as an umbrella term for both crossovers and traditional SUVs due to the similarities between them.”

    Like I said, if you want to disagree then fine. I’m not changing my stance because there are plenty of articles from the industry that support my point about crossovers being an SUV.

    I do appreciate you having me think more about this though! It’s an interesting discussion.





  • I’m curious though, what in your mind makes a Forester an SUV rather than a wagon? Disregard any external labels that others have applied. How you would classify the vehicle.

    Great question. I’ve never really thought about that, but I’d probably say size and design (boxy-ish looks). Beyond that, categorization by the companies making and rating them is what I go by.

    But it does mean that the “sedan vs SUV” MPG comparison is obfuscated by a faulty premise.

    What faulty premise? Do mid size and large sedans have fuel efficiency and vehicle length that cross into the small and mid size SUV range? I compared them because the original comment was essentially “I hope the high gas really fucks SUVs”. Why SUVs specifically? Which SUVs? No mention of large sedans, trucks, vans, etc.

    My comparison was to point out that a singular broad criticism was sort of a weird idea when there are so many other factors.


  • Well, I disagree with your argument about SUV classification so we will agree to disagree here.

    I think my issue is that SUV efficiency is a range just like sedans are a range, trucks, vans, compacts, etc. So at what point is it really fuck this type of car versus fuck vehicles that have this specific fuel efficiency.

    My entire point was the person I replied to said fuck SUVs and AI. Hey, I get it but SUVs aren’t the problem, vehicle efficiency is and many classes cross over into that “fuck this” point. That’s really the crux of my first reply here was that it was a broad stroke and if you’re going to say fuck something because of its contribution then maybe don’t be so broad and targeted?


  • I’m saying person I responded to made a blanket statement about people owning a broad category of car. I pointed out that there are nuances and taking on particular broad group isn’t probably the right take. Using broad strokes is bad.

    I’m not really sure what your stake is in being angry with your replies. If that isn’t your intent, that’s how it is coming across.

    I used American SUVs because I was trying to talk about American buyers since this seemed to be aimed at the USA with the mention of gallons (yeah, other counties use it, but come on…we know it was meant towards the USA). Yes, I misused what I was trying to say.


  • A Forester is still an SUV. It’s classified as an SUV whether you like it or not. A crossover SUV is still an SUV. It’s a subclass, but falls under the umbrella.

    Sonata: 25/37 Forester: 26/33

    They are fairly close in stats.

    Look, I get what you’re saying. The whole thing is these vehicles are a range and people are driving what they can. To just give a blanket “fuck these people for this broad category” seems weird to me.

    I am merely pointing out nuances and I don’t understand what is triggering some people to turn into a hostile jack ass for pointing something out. 🤷‍♂️