Don’t be a harm increaser SMH

  • TheAlbatross@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    14 days ago

    I find this one a bit baffling.

    The only people I hear argue that the DNC and RNC are effectively the same are not people who are voting for the RNC.

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      Many very left leaning Dems don’t feel there is a fundamental difference between parties anymore because BOTH parties capitulate to corporate donors.

      There’s been no campaign finance reform. Campaign finance reform holds broad, bipartisan popularity, with roughly 70-88% of Americans supporting stricter limits on money in politics. Majorities favor reversing Citizens United and reducing donor influence, as most citizens believe big donors, corporations, and special interests have too much power. Neither political party has addressed this.

      Insider trading reform, particularly regarding members of Congress, is extremely popular, with over 80% to 86% of voters supporting bans on individual stock trading by lawmakers. Despite this overwhelming public support and bipartisan momentum, actual legislative action faces hurdles due to skepticism from some lawmakers. I’d say not skepticism, it’s more a fuck you I got mine attitude.

      Neither Dems nor Repubs are interested in serving the people, they are interested in serving themselves, and their corporate donors.

      1. Reagan gave us trickle down economics and destabilization of south America and the Middle East with the Nicaragua contra scandal to funnel weapons to Iraq and Iran. Our tax dollars being used to kill brown people. During the 1980s, the United States aided Saddam Hussein’s regime primarily to counter Iran, providing billions in economic aid, dual-use technology, and crucial battlefield intelligence, particularly during the Iran-Iraq War (1980–1988). The U.S. supported Iraq’s military efforts, ensuring Baghdad did not lose to Iran, despite knowledge of chemical weapons usage. (Didn’t we eventually fight a war to get rid of saddam? Oops 😬)

      2. The first Bush was also involved in the contra scandal. Just before leaving office, President Bush pardoned six Reagan administration officials, including former Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger, who were charged with crimes related to the Iran-Contra affair.

      3. Clinton, Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act of 1999: Repealed the 1933 Glass-Steagall Act, allowing commercial banks, securities firms, and insurance companies to consolidate. This removed controls on banks that allowed them to over speculate, and allowed consolidation of industries to be too big to fail. (This set is up for the supprime mortgage disaster that left tax payers holding the bag. Oops.) Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000: Exempted over-the-counter derivatives—including credit default swaps—from regulation. Telecommunications Act of 1996: Significantly deregulated the broadcasting and telecommunications markets. (The deregulation stipulation was that these companies would be rolling out broadband in exchange for deregulation and tax breaks. We still have communities in the USA that don’t have broadband. The telecoms laughed all the way to the bank, and jacked their prices way up. Oops.) President Bill Clinton’s administration (1993–2001) was involved in several military conflicts and interventions, primarily focused on peacekeeping in the Balkans, stopping ethnic cleansing, and responding to terrorism. Key actions included NATO bombing campaigns in Bosnia (1995) and Kosovo (1999), the failed mission in Somalia (1993), the occupation of Haiti (1994), and cruise missile strikes against Iraq and terrorist sites in Afghanistan/Sudan.

      4. Bush the second coming, Iraq War (2003–2011): Launched based on assertions that Saddam Hussein possessed weapons of mass destruction (WMD) and threatened peace. The invasion swiftly removed Saddam, but sparked a long insurgency and sectarian violence. There were no weapons of mass destruction. It was bullshit that helped his buddies in haliburton get rich on the tax payers dime bombing brown people. Oh, remember Guantanamo and the torture? How about the slow response to hurricane Katrina that devastated new Orleans? Vice President Dick Cheney’s chief of staff, Lewis “Scooter” Libby, was convicted of obstruction of justice and perjury in a case involving the leaking of CIA agent Valerie Plame’s identity. (Oops we sabotaged our ability to gather intelligence.) Dismissal of U.S. Attorneys in 2006, the Department of Justice fired eight U.S. attorneys, raising allegations of political manipulation within the Department of Justice.

      5. Obama gave us the affordable care act, and capitulated to the insurance industries by not pushing harder for single payer care.

      This is why many very left leftists were unhappy about the ACA, it didn’t go far enough, and much of that law was written with lobbyists from health insurance companies who only care about their profits, and not about the human beings being insured.

      ACA subsidies that helped people pay for insurance expired. Republicans were happy to let those subsidies expire. Dems had leverage with the shut down at the end of 2025, and broad support for keeping the government shut down to use that leverage to extend the subsidies. The dems ended the shut down over on a promise from the GOP to go back to the drawing board for ACA subsidies at the start of 2026; and like always the Republicans broke their promise. Why roll over when you have leverage to help the American people? It’s because their corporate donors didn’t want the government shut down.

      So those of us on the far left don’t see much action from the dems in terms of helping people, while republicans also don’t help people on top of seeking to actively hurt specific groups of people. When you have to decide between a shit sandwich and a piss sandwich some of us are like, ya know what, I’d rather go hungry.

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        14 days ago

        Yes, that’s largely what I’m getting at. The meme suggests these very left leaning Democrats who don’t feel there is a fundamental difference between the parties are then voting Republican and I just don’t see that happening.

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          No, we aren’t voting republican. Some of us are still holding our noses and voting dem. I’m sure there are people on both sides, dems and repubs, that just kinda say, “fuck it,” and don’t vote. (My uncle leans more right side, and he refuses to vote cause both sides are the same. He’s a disabled veteran, and I keep telling him he needs to pay attention, because the people that get voted in will fuck him and his benefits over. He’s just a complete brick wall when you try and talk with him about it.)

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      I suppose I wasnt totally clear. Im not saying that segments of the left are voting foe trump. What i am saying is that segments of the left will do a bunch of stuff that results in MAGA electoral victories such as discouraging others from voting democrat, and speaking rhetoric that the democrats are the same as republicans, or that democrats will never move left on any policy.

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        14 days ago

        Yeah your meme is unclear.

        Also I think the DNC has the onus to run candidates people want to vote for moreso than people be obligated to vote for the party that fails them repeatedly.

        I’m kinda with the other person that replied to my post, here, there’s not a lot of evidence that the DNC actually does want to make things better for people, outside of rhetoric and maybe a few platitudes of niche policies from time to time.

        Though, admittedly, who I vote for personally is utterly irrelevant in our wildly broken electoral systems because of where I live.

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          Is passing a climate law that was, at the time, the world’s single most impactful climate legislation, with a razor thin majority not a success story worth remembering?

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            Nnnnnnot really…

            Most Americans are more concerned about the material conditions of their lives and the DNC repeatedly drops the ball on improving any of that. If they turned that around, they might win elections.

            Like, don’t get me wrong, I think climate change is important and needs to be addressed, but also wages have been utterly detached from productivity for decades while the rich keep getting wildly richer, my rent, food prices and medical costs are skyrocketing, and I’ll likely never be able to afford a home because the previous generations and massive companies are using living spaces as speculative investment. Education prices are batshit insanely high compared to other developed countries, our intercity infrastructure is lost in the last century compared to places like Europe and China, I could go on and on!

            And the DNC isn’t doing anything about that.

            Edit: or, hey, here’s a crazy idea, maybe doing fucking anything to safeguard the nation from the rise of fascism? Naw? Oh, you’re expanding ICE and building more concentration camps? Alright cool DNC thanks, yeah do nothing and demand my vote anyway

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              Okay but it was about improving the material conditions of Americans by lowering the cost of energy and creating some jobs. It wasnt fast but few good things are

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                …sorry dude… I mostly remember my energy costs going up year after year.

                It just feels like they’re not on our side and they leave the working man out to dry every time they get an ounce of power.

                I mean, I don’t really care about things being done “the right way” or whatever, the Republicans do just fine implementing their agenda, even if it’s riddled in lawsuits and stymied later, they do it in the moment. If the DNC was doing that, but, like, with helping people? I think I’d be more sympathetic.

                They just seem like they wanna maintain the status quo and never undo any of the horrors that the RNC implemented. Heck, they even exacerbate some of em.

                It’s hard to feel like they’re really an opposing party in anything but rhetoric.

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            Climate law means shit when it isn’t enforced. Companies actively dump dangerous waste into their surrounding communities and getting a slap on the wrist while taxpayers pay for clean up, and real Americans can’t drink the water in their wells or live in their homes because of the pollution.

            Hooker Electrochemical Company (now Occidental Chemical Corporation): Between 1942 and 1953, the company dumped over 21,000 tons of hazardous chemical waste into the Love Canal in Niagara Falls, New York. The leaking, abandoned landfill forced the evacuation of hundreds of homes and led to the creation of the Superfund program. (This one is known as the Love Canal scandal. Hooker sold the landfill, and told the buyers not to build on the land, but the new landowners built on it anyway.)

            DuPont/Chemours: The company released millions of pounds of PFOA (“forever chemicals”) into the air and the Ohio River from its Parkersburg, West Virginia plant, contaminating drinking water for thousands. The contamination spread to Hoosick Falls, New York, where DuPont, 3M, Saint-Gobain, and Honeywell settled lawsuits for over $90 million.

            Pacific Gas & Electric (PG&E): Between 1952 and 1966, the company used hexavalent chromium to fight corrosion at a cooling tower in Hinkley, California, allowing the wastewater to percolate into local groundwater. The resulting health crisis in the community was popularized by the film Erin Brockovich.

            Tyson Foods: An investigation found that from 2018 to 2022, 41 Tyson processing plants released approximately 371 million pounds of toxic pollutants—including nitrogen, phosphorus, and cyanide—into U.S. waterways.

            ExxonMobil: The 1989 Exxon Valdez oil spill released roughly 11 million gallons of oil into Alaska’s Prince William Sound, ruining 1,300 miles of coastline, decimating the fishing industry, and killing extensive wildlife.

            Firestone Tire & Rubber Co.: Between 1963 and 1980, the company dumped large amounts of hazardous solvents into the Crazy Horse landfill in California, which later contaminated the water wells of neighboring families.

            BP: The 2010 Deepwater Horizon oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico, which spilled over 130 million gallons of oil, caused widespread, long-term damage to marine life and coastal communities.

            Campbell Soup Supply Co.: Admitted to violating the Clean Water Act at least 5,400 times between 2018 and 2024 by discharging waste into the Maumee River in Ohio.

            Anaconda Aluminum (Montana): Contaminated local water sources with lead and chromium.

            Duke Energy: Faced severe scrutiny for leaking 39,000 tons of coal ash into the Dan River.

            I grew up in the 80s when there was a massive push to recycle, only to find out 20 years later that all of that plastic I was separating and putting aside wasn’t being recycled, and was instead sold to third world countries and just ended up fucking up the environment in those third world areas. Now I just go out of my way to avoid purchasing items that are made of plastic or sold in plastic packaging since the recycling I was doing didn’t impact shit.