More distros need to follow. No FOSS should have any relationship to Microsoft or their products.
Everyone should follow
why? github offers basically free hosting for code. as long as git clone works, everything should be fine?
Because Microsoft owns github.
Even without them plugging LLMs into it, using it all as training data, sharing everything connected to it directly with the NSA, they could easily do a more standard enshittification of it.
Oh you have a free github account, you can do X amount of pulls and commits per month, otherwise, subscribe to GitHubPro for $5 a month.
Oh you host some software that’s used to antagonize our corporate partners?
Even though its not actually illegal?
Poof, gone, just like when the credit card companies decided nsfw games are verbotten.
because “free” isn’t free.
English needs to use libre a lot more for the clarity.
Everything owned by Microsoft is in immediate danger of failing to work correctly forevermore.
basically free
What does that mean?
as long as git clone works
Granted, I still use code form github.
But the person you’re replying to meant that everybody who still hosts code on GH should gtfo.
And if you peek behind the curtains of software projects, many more made that move already a long time ago.
Hold on …
Are you saying all software hosted on github is infected with copilot? Or am I misreading the situation?
Your confusion is understandable since MS has called like 4 different products “Copilot”. This refers to the coding assistant built into GitHub for everything from CI/CD to coding itself.
All code uploaded to GitHub is subject to being scraped by Copilot to both train and provide inference context to its model(s).
Basically having your code in GitHub is implicit consent to have your code fed to MSs LLMs.
All code uploaded to GitHub is subject to being scraped
No kidding: That was literally my very first thought back in the days when I learned that M$ has taken over GitHub.
(Copilot did not exist then)
Mine too. More precisely: code uploaded to GH won’t be yours anymore. IIRC there were changes to the TOS that supported this. But even if not, predicting the obvious doesn’t make us prophets.
No, it isn’t.
“Basically” your vibes aren’t an actual answer. Businesses are not forking over millions to give away their code.
You can have conspiracy theories about it using the code anyway (I’m particularly confused about your use of the word “scrape” which tells me you don’t know how AI training works, how hosting a website works, or how scraping works - maybe all three?) but surreptitiously using its competitors’ code to train CoPilot would be a rare existential threat to Microsoft itself.
Does GitHub use Copilot Business or Enterprise data to train GitHub’s model?
No. GitHub does not use either Copilot Business or Enterprise data to train its models.
FAQs are not legally binding. If you want to quote something, then do privacy policy and terms of service.
It’s in every enterprise and business contract signed with them. The FAQ was just the first result on Google. Its obviousness shouldn’t even require that much. It’s extremely clear how few of Lemmy’s “technology” crowd have any contact with adult life.
Why are you referring all your answers to GitHub Enterprise and corporate contracts? Nobody here is talking about that, as the news is about an open source project. Public GitHub and GitHub Enterprise are fundamentally different.
You accuse others of responding based solely on “vibes,” but you do exactly the same thing in the opposite direction. And yet, of all people, you’re saying we don’t act like adults.
All of the responses are saying that Github reads all code. Github public and Github enterprise are products of the same organisation. Many are even saying they will consume enterprise data anyway despite contracts not to. As I said in my first response, there aren’t many things that would ruin Microsoft’s ability to operate but this is one.
What vibes do you think I’m going off?
Lemmy is completely unhinged on any AI topic. You can’t engage rationally with these people.
They have zero evidence that any of their accusations is really happening but they’ll insult and bully people over it anyway.
What vibes do you think I’m going off?
What I meant was that you read the comments, identified inconsistencies from your point of view, and then responded in a confrontational manner without including the whole context.
You do have some good points. But instead of opposing everything that has been said, you could have differentiated much better.
For example:
- Public repositories on github.com are definitely used for AI training
- Private repositories on github.com are suspected of being used for training
- Github Enterprise Cloud is probably contractually protected
- Github Enterprise Server is the most secure of all options due to contracts and self-hosting (and therefore the
only validbest option for enterprises with proprietary code)
All of the responses are saying that Github reads all code.
The first comment explicitly mentions “hosted on GitHub”, which at least excludes GitHub Enterprise Server, which is self-hosted.
The article is about an open source project that, by definition, uses public repositories.
Github public and Github enterprise are products of the same organisation.
Coming from someone who tells others that they first need to deal with “adult life”, I find this statement surprising. I work for an international company and manage several Github orgas with hundreds of repos. Whether the code is stored on github.com or on our own Github Enterprise server is highly relevant and makes a huge difference.
Dude AI companies do not give a fuck about the law. It’s hard to prove a specific piece of data was used to train a model so they put everything in they can. There’s literally a lawsuit about this, where Microsoft and others claim using code on GitHub to train is fair use.
As far as I can tell this lawsuit is about copyright infringement of open source code, but as we where talking about an open source project leaving GitHub because of this, that’s what’s relevant.
I myself would not be surprised if they could not withstand the urge to put more high quality code from enterprise users into their training data, but as they are not suing and we don’t know their code, that’s speculation.
If you’re gullible enough to believe an FAQ coming from Github themselves, then I have bad news for you.
“Gullible” is not a thing you can be when somehow has signed a contract with you… that’s why contracts exist.
You gullible person, they write the contracts to protect themselves at your expense. For example:
Check your Disney+ contract before going on a Disney cruise. If you use both services, you waive your right to go to court in case of injury or death on the cruise. Potentially for Life.
It’s incredible that you all are still acting like he’s talking about individuals and not giant mega corporations that have an army of lawyers working on these contracts.
There’s no way these companies would allow ms to train copilot on their proprietary code. Not a single one of you had provided ANY proof that this is actually happening yet.
Someday when you’re grown up you will realize how cringe your way of communicating is.
Sure. Any day now.
Being embarrassed by association with people who say things like “all code uploaded to Github is subject to being scraped” might be childish. Not sure it’s as childish as being embarrassed by “cringe” though. That would imply I care about your opinion on my communication. I don’t.
I do care that you understand that a half dozen people in this thread are actively outing themselves as completely ignorant about the real world of software development and the software industry in general. Probably not surprising given the words “Gentoo” and “Codeberg” in the title of the post.
Um AAACCCKKKTUALLY it’s only scraping if it comes from the
beautifulsoupregion of Shodan. Otherwise it’s just Sparkling CIDR.
Just to add to what the other commenters said, the quote you highlighted doesn’t even say what you think it does.
It says that Copilot data is not used to train the models, not that code uploaded to Github isn’t used to train the models.
As an aside, your nitpicking of the term “scrape” and rant about how the user you’re replying to must be ignorant is cringe, jsyk.
I guess it’s about copilot scanning the code, submitting PRs, reporting security issues, doing code reviews and such.
reporting security issues
Is this not an advantage? If AI can find new security vulnerabilities reliably?
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The because of training claim is wrong.
Quoting the Gentoo post:
Mostly because of the continuous attempts to force Copilot usage for our repositories,
It seems to be about GitHub pushing copilot usage, not them training on data. Moving away doesn’t prevent training anyway. And I’m sure someone will host a mirror on hitting if they don’t.
Codeberg does actively try to prevent bot scraping.
Excellent news ! I have been preaching the good word of Codeberg for months, delighted to see it’s working.
If I can get NixOS to move, I will be the happiest gal in the world…
It’s funny that all the pro-AI chuds suddenly coming out of the woodwork to try and say this is a terrible idea.
Did this few months ago. Everyone should do the same.
Excellent!
